“For the record I felt kinda bad about exploiting and then killing her and everyone in the facility. But it was for the greater good, and I was following orders.” Not a good look
Except the part where he already said that everyone else had gotten out, and that he was AGAINST the decision to try and blow up Teresa?
We also don’t know how high up the chain of command he was. He might have just been one of many scientists doing tests, being told that it was for the good of mankind. I’d hold off on making judgements just yet.
He ardpgued against it but went along with it. The “Good German” Defense doesn’t fly
Privpi
You assume he had any say in the matter. If your superiors jsut decide to nuke the place, what are you supposed to do? Stick around to get nuked? You’re also just assuming he was the one who DID it. If that’s the case, then yeah, I get your point, but you’re making a lot of assumptions to get there in the first place. Him just walking away from her is something entirely you might judge him for, but she looks rather violent in the panel based on what we’ve seen of her, so trying to help her could’ve very likely just gotten him killed.
a reader among thousands
Did we’ve seen the same comic? He didn’t went along with it at all.
He took the time to save the dogs, that no one else cared about since, as he said, everyone else is already out. And he risked his life for this since the place will be a crater “real soon”; with emphasis on the “real”. This also imply that he’s not the one who “did it”, because in this case he would have took care of them before triggering the failsafe system, or at least ensured that they would stay safe; while he’s happy to see that they are.
As for Teresa, I’m sure that he would have saved her too if he could have done it. But have you seen her? She was in full rage. He just didn’t had the time to speak with her and calm her in the short laps of time he had.
And, as Privpi said, there’s really few chance that the scientist he was had a say in all this. He was against it, and after the risk he took to save the dogs, and the years he past isolated, I have no doubt that he said it, again and again, until it was too late.
Cobalt
I mean, if you want to make snap judgements about it, and draw connections to Nazis from it, that’s your prerogative. Heaven forbid the situation be more complex than you think it is.
He participated in the enslavement and abuse of a child. And he went along with a plan to murder her.
Prince Chrom
Or he tried to prevent the plan and was overruled. And that’s assuming that he knew that she was being experimented on.
Cobalt
Again, you do not know ANY of that.
Teresa’s parents may have consented to them taking her for the sake of doing experiments and whatnot, to try and help Teresa.
The experiments may not have been abusive at all.
And he did not go along with the plan. What did you expect him to do, fight everyone who was for the plan and somehow stop it from happening? Even if he had fought, at best he’d get the shit kicked out of him, and at worst he’d have gotten killed as well.
You literally do not have enough information to know what the hell was going on, and instead you’re comparing him to a German who wanted to keep themselves and their family safe while Nazis take control of his country.
unfortunatly, its neither a lie, or a nazi lie. a lot of people ended up spared the trials because they where deemed useful, or because it would have been embarrassing for the allies. ibm’s directors for example, many of the scientists that ended up in the soviet or american space programs, vast numbers of other wealthy people from around the western world. sure there where a lot of willfuly evil people punnished at the trials, but that doesnt take away from it being a public spectacle for the victors over the defeated.
like i said to striker2054, western militaries still carry procedures making it suicide for soldiers to now follow orders the government have decided are legal. that alone shows the trials where insincere.
The Nuremberg Trials were a Witch Hunt. It was more about putting on a show of punishing the nazis than being just (the point of a trial of law). It’s even classified as an “spectacle”, alongside a “trial”, on google, for the sake of the argument.
The judging didn’t take into account the punishment those “just following orders” would receive had they disobeyed the commands. Most would have probably died along those they helped hold captive, certainly being considered members of their groups.
Boiling down “just following orders” to what happened at Nuremberg is an unbelievably poor take, of never before seen uninformed levels. Do you really believe every conscript in the russian army is fighting Ukraine out of love for their motherland? We have literal reports of deserters being shot in the back. Imagine what not following orders entail in that theater. When the “whatever trials” for the war crimes Russia is committing comes around, you’d rather just see every conscript hang?
bob
except the part where the defendants at the nuremburg trials were high-ranking nazi party members and military commanders, not the common soldiers.
Tsath
Stop telling Nazi lies.
That is as polite as I get with their enablers and fellow,travelers
My father and a bunch of my other relatives served in WWII to end the abomination, but the cancer wasn’t completely eradicated
UnamusedByPropaganda
There are some legitimate criticisms one can make about the Nuremberg Trials. THESE. ARE. NOT.
They were not a “Witch Hunt”, because in a Witch Hunt, the defendants are targeted because of their views and are simply assumed to be guilty based on at best weak evidence. Every Nazi punished at Nuremberg was guilty and was proven so beyond a measure of a doubt.
It doesn’t matter what “google” claims, that’s not a valid citation for anything. The Soviets wanted a mere spectacle. The US wanted an actual trial. They got it.
The idea that most Nazis would have been harshly punished for declining to participate in their crimes against humanity has be THOROUGHLY disproven. In the vast, VAST majority of cases they wouldn’t even have received a slap on the wrist, maybe a transfer or a demotion at worst. And that’s not even taking into account the many crimes that were carried out entirely by volunteers.
You are spreading literal Nazi propaganda. Stop it, if you have any shred of decency left.
not really true. most western militaries still carry the firing squad for not following lawful orders in time of war, and its the government and chain of command that decide what is lawful. refuse based on your conscience could still be suicide.
if that was gotten rid of you would have a point.
That’s what the Milgram Experiments showed. An authority figure says “We know it’s terrible, but it has to be done. There is no choice,” and 99 out of 100 will goosestep right along
You saw her crashing out a couple of issues ago. Did it look like talking was an option that she’d respond to there? For all we know they may have already tried talking and it didn’t work.
Considering the sort of research that was going on there, and multiple sorts of research at that, I don’t think blowing up the place was a decision that was made lightly.
I feel like I’m missing a lot of important context to how you got to blow her up option. Teresa seemed pretty chill for the most part maybe just a tad mentally fragile but considering this I get why.
Killing a minor whom you have kidnapped and enslaved because you can’t think.of any other way to control her is pretty darned low no matter how you look at it.
Can you please stop to assume?
We don’t know how Teresa ended here. We don’t know if she was enslaved or not. We don’t know if she natively had her power or not. And we don’t know what kind of experiments they did.
Oh, and also, stop bringing Nuremberg and WWII in this. You’ve family members that fought during it, thanks for them. Personally I have family members who died in the camps… And you don’t see me confuse a fiction about a story we know nothing about yet, with a dramatically sad reality.
There is going to be an unlikable character named Simon who is violated by rabid beavers that broke into a Viagra factory in the next Amanda Plowme novel.
Finally the legend continues! Although I really hoped the new installment would be called “The Saving Of Weird Pet Steven” or “Dog-Too-Strange In The Nortverse Of Nothingness”. With the possible Sub-Story “Simon: Sarah’s Sire, Sinister Supervillain or just Stuffy Senior?”…
I wonder if Steven recognized her from their youth at The Facility, and that’s why he was so hostile to her in all of her appearances? Or is it just because she coincidentally chose to mess with his mothers? Cuz even when she’s having a bad day and isn’t being hostile, Steven still was super on guard against her (screamlined methods when she showed up drunk and sobbing after her bf dipped, and when she was showing Sarah the childhood album).
I have to point out your improper use of the term “failsafe”. Personal pet peeve of mine. If you’re bringing something to explode, it’s the exact opposite of a fail safe device.
No no, it’s valid here, as long as you realise the ‘higher ups’, whoever they were, were treating Teresa as a device herself. To make a failsafe is to prepare SOMETHING that will cause a machine/mechanism/device to STOP doing something UNSAFE and become SAFE and STILL, so it can be appropriately handled. In this instance, Teresa is now doing something unsafe, and if she was thus blown to bits, all her bits would no longer be doing anything and Teresa, of course, would not be doing anything dangerous anymore. So she’d be still, and safe. And dead, of course, but SAFELY dead, in their eyes.
Failsafes can be anything from an ‘Emergency Stop’ button, to an acid pack that destroys things if they’re opened up, to an intentional design flaw that causes the machine to break if it extends beyond its allowed parameters. It’s very wide, and explosive can indeed fall into that category. All they are there for, is for when something fails to be safe, it then makes it safe – Somehow. Blowing it to bits makes it safe shrapnel, so that counts.
53 thoughts on “Haunted by the Past #1”
Alice_pbg
again… valid crash out
Noah
Sooooo…
Good to know her rage against him is justifiable
RickettyShips
Vincent’s ID card says PEA…Paranormal Efforcement Administration?
ClaireChaos
paranormal experimentation agency
Striker2054
Paranormal Experimentation Agency
Kiloku
They just make very good pea-soup
Azurion
I’d wager “Paranormal Exploitation Agency”
elganif
Tara looks about ready to rearrange his face a little for him.
Love how expressive people are.
David
Puppies!
everything is better with puppies!
even bad things!
Alexander
Unless those things are happening TO the puppies
Tsath
“For the record I felt kinda bad about exploiting and then killing her and everyone in the facility. But it was for the greater good, and I was following orders.” Not a good look
Cobalt
Except the part where he already said that everyone else had gotten out, and that he was AGAINST the decision to try and blow up Teresa?
We also don’t know how high up the chain of command he was. He might have just been one of many scientists doing tests, being told that it was for the good of mankind. I’d hold off on making judgements just yet.
tsath
He ardpgued against it but went along with it. The “Good German” Defense doesn’t fly
Privpi
You assume he had any say in the matter. If your superiors jsut decide to nuke the place, what are you supposed to do? Stick around to get nuked? You’re also just assuming he was the one who DID it. If that’s the case, then yeah, I get your point, but you’re making a lot of assumptions to get there in the first place. Him just walking away from her is something entirely you might judge him for, but she looks rather violent in the panel based on what we’ve seen of her, so trying to help her could’ve very likely just gotten him killed.
a reader among thousands
Did we’ve seen the same comic? He didn’t went along with it at all.
He took the time to save the dogs, that no one else cared about since, as he said, everyone else is already out. And he risked his life for this since the place will be a crater “real soon”; with emphasis on the “real”. This also imply that he’s not the one who “did it”, because in this case he would have took care of them before triggering the failsafe system, or at least ensured that they would stay safe; while he’s happy to see that they are.
As for Teresa, I’m sure that he would have saved her too if he could have done it. But have you seen her? She was in full rage. He just didn’t had the time to speak with her and calm her in the short laps of time he had.
And, as Privpi said, there’s really few chance that the scientist he was had a say in all this. He was against it, and after the risk he took to save the dogs, and the years he past isolated, I have no doubt that he said it, again and again, until it was too late.
Cobalt
I mean, if you want to make snap judgements about it, and draw connections to Nazis from it, that’s your prerogative. Heaven forbid the situation be more complex than you think it is.
Tsath
He participated in the enslavement and abuse of a child. And he went along with a plan to murder her.
Prince Chrom
Or he tried to prevent the plan and was overruled. And that’s assuming that he knew that she was being experimented on.
Cobalt
Again, you do not know ANY of that.
Teresa’s parents may have consented to them taking her for the sake of doing experiments and whatnot, to try and help Teresa.
The experiments may not have been abusive at all.
And he did not go along with the plan. What did you expect him to do, fight everyone who was for the plan and somehow stop it from happening? Even if he had fought, at best he’d get the shit kicked out of him, and at worst he’d have gotten killed as well.
You literally do not have enough information to know what the hell was going on, and instead you’re comparing him to a German who wanted to keep themselves and their family safe while Nazis take control of his country.
Striker2054
Doc, we settled “following orders” at Nuremberg. It’s not a viable defense. In fact, it’s classified under “confession.”
tsath
My point exactly
cy414
unfortunatly, its neither a lie, or a nazi lie. a lot of people ended up spared the trials because they where deemed useful, or because it would have been embarrassing for the allies. ibm’s directors for example, many of the scientists that ended up in the soviet or american space programs, vast numbers of other wealthy people from around the western world. sure there where a lot of willfuly evil people punnished at the trials, but that doesnt take away from it being a public spectacle for the victors over the defeated.
like i said to striker2054, western militaries still carry procedures making it suicide for soldiers to now follow orders the government have decided are legal. that alone shows the trials where insincere.
mindcontroler
The Nuremberg Trials were a Witch Hunt. It was more about putting on a show of punishing the nazis than being just (the point of a trial of law). It’s even classified as an “spectacle”, alongside a “trial”, on google, for the sake of the argument.
The judging didn’t take into account the punishment those “just following orders” would receive had they disobeyed the commands. Most would have probably died along those they helped hold captive, certainly being considered members of their groups.
Boiling down “just following orders” to what happened at Nuremberg is an unbelievably poor take, of never before seen uninformed levels. Do you really believe every conscript in the russian army is fighting Ukraine out of love for their motherland? We have literal reports of deserters being shot in the back. Imagine what not following orders entail in that theater. When the “whatever trials” for the war crimes Russia is committing comes around, you’d rather just see every conscript hang?
bob
except the part where the defendants at the nuremburg trials were high-ranking nazi party members and military commanders, not the common soldiers.
Tsath
Stop telling Nazi lies.
That is as polite as I get with their enablers and fellow,travelers
My father and a bunch of my other relatives served in WWII to end the abomination, but the cancer wasn’t completely eradicated
UnamusedByPropaganda
There are some legitimate criticisms one can make about the Nuremberg Trials. THESE. ARE. NOT.
They were not a “Witch Hunt”, because in a Witch Hunt, the defendants are targeted because of their views and are simply assumed to be guilty based on at best weak evidence. Every Nazi punished at Nuremberg was guilty and was proven so beyond a measure of a doubt.
It doesn’t matter what “google” claims, that’s not a valid citation for anything. The Soviets wanted a mere spectacle. The US wanted an actual trial. They got it.
The idea that most Nazis would have been harshly punished for declining to participate in their crimes against humanity has be THOROUGHLY disproven. In the vast, VAST majority of cases they wouldn’t even have received a slap on the wrist, maybe a transfer or a demotion at worst. And that’s not even taking into account the many crimes that were carried out entirely by volunteers.
You are spreading literal Nazi propaganda. Stop it, if you have any shred of decency left.
cy414
not really true. most western militaries still carry the firing squad for not following lawful orders in time of war, and its the government and chain of command that decide what is lawful. refuse based on your conscience could still be suicide.
if that was gotten rid of you would have a point.
Crackblind
THE GREATER GOOD!
Tsath
That’s what the Milgram Experiments showed. An authority figure says “We know it’s terrible, but it has to be done. There is no choice,” and 99 out of 100 will goosestep right along
Crackblind
Go watch Hot Fuzz
Crackblind
It’s a reference to the movie Hot Fuzz
athroughzdude
Tara about to throw hands
Cobalt
Well, now we know why Steven is very wary of Teresa. I bet he’s the one looking back at her as the escape.
TinaMouse
The one looking back has a tuft of hair between his ears. That’s the blue collared dog not Steven
Tesh
So she was crashing out and instead of talking they use explosive. Sounds like the US government. 👍👍
Cobalt
You saw her crashing out a couple of issues ago. Did it look like talking was an option that she’d respond to there? For all we know they may have already tried talking and it didn’t work.
Considering the sort of research that was going on there, and multiple sorts of research at that, I don’t think blowing up the place was a decision that was made lightly.
All-Purpose Guru
Puppy Steven! OMG!
Witch of many Jobs
Fair, I would also take umbrage to almost getting nuked and learning of it AFTER the dogs.
Sirksome
I feel like I’m missing a lot of important context to how you got to blow her up option. Teresa seemed pretty chill for the most part maybe just a tad mentally fragile but considering this I get why.
Wim
‘dimensional shenanigans’ maybe? (nortverse.com/comic/keeping-the-peace-8/)
Tsath
Killing a minor whom you have kidnapped and enslaved because you can’t think.of any other way to control her is pretty darned low no matter how you look at it.
a reader among thousands
Can you please stop to assume?
We don’t know how Teresa ended here. We don’t know if she was enslaved or not. We don’t know if she natively had her power or not. And we don’t know what kind of experiments they did.
Oh, and also, stop bringing Nuremberg and WWII in this. You’ve family members that fought during it, thanks for them. Personally I have family members who died in the camps… And you don’t see me confuse a fiction about a story we know nothing about yet, with a dramatically sad reality.
CSDX
I feel like I need a bit more backstory, but I’m sure that’ll be explained in due time.
dysartes
Am I seeing tears in Tara’s eyes in the last panel? Not quite sure how to interpret the art there.
Danny B
She probably wants Steven back – and is prepared to do anything to get him back.
Avid Reader
I’ve got to say, that dude has a cool design.
GruntDoc
There is going to be an unlikable character named Simon who is violated by rabid beavers that broke into a Viagra factory in the next Amanda Plowme novel.
O.O. Hansen
Finally the legend continues! Although I really hoped the new installment would be called “The Saving Of Weird Pet Steven” or “Dog-Too-Strange In The Nortverse Of Nothingness”. With the possible Sub-Story “Simon: Sarah’s Sire, Sinister Supervillain or just Stuffy Senior?”…
Amara
I wonder if Steven recognized her from their youth at The Facility, and that’s why he was so hostile to her in all of her appearances? Or is it just because she coincidentally chose to mess with his mothers? Cuz even when she’s having a bad day and isn’t being hostile, Steven still was super on guard against her (screamlined methods when she showed up drunk and sobbing after her bf dipped, and when she was showing Sarah the childhood album).
Tin Foil Hat Time
My question is who or what are behind the numbered doors in the third panel, and given those numbers just how many test subjects are or were there?
Sean
I have to point out your improper use of the term “failsafe”. Personal pet peeve of mine. If you’re bringing something to explode, it’s the exact opposite of a fail safe device.
Sean
*Rigging something, sorry
Nssheepster
No no, it’s valid here, as long as you realise the ‘higher ups’, whoever they were, were treating Teresa as a device herself. To make a failsafe is to prepare SOMETHING that will cause a machine/mechanism/device to STOP doing something UNSAFE and become SAFE and STILL, so it can be appropriately handled. In this instance, Teresa is now doing something unsafe, and if she was thus blown to bits, all her bits would no longer be doing anything and Teresa, of course, would not be doing anything dangerous anymore. So she’d be still, and safe. And dead, of course, but SAFELY dead, in their eyes.
Failsafes can be anything from an ‘Emergency Stop’ button, to an acid pack that destroys things if they’re opened up, to an intentional design flaw that causes the machine to break if it extends beyond its allowed parameters. It’s very wide, and explosive can indeed fall into that category. All they are there for, is for when something fails to be safe, it then makes it safe – Somehow. Blowing it to bits makes it safe shrapnel, so that counts.